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		<title>Comment on When all you&#8217;ve learned to love seems to change&#8230;. by I WAS a True Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2011/03/when-all-youve-learned-to-love-seems-to-change/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>I WAS a True Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 00:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has thrown a lot of hurt at me AFTER I left them). Not because I wanted to be free from religion (losing my faith was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life). Not because I didn&#8217;t like what the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has thrown a lot of hurt at me AFTER I left them). Not because I wanted to be free from religion (losing my faith was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life). Not because I didn&#8217;t like what the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agnosticism: If there is a God&#8230;. by I WAS a True Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2012/09/agnosticism-if-there-is-a-god/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>I WAS a True Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] or definition of Christianity with which to discredit my honest, passionate, heartfelt, true belief.And here I am, an agnostic. Not because I&#8217;ve been hurt by the church (though the church has thrown a lot of hurt at me [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or definition of Christianity with which to discredit my honest, passionate, heartfelt, true belief.And here I am, an agnostic. Not because I&#8217;ve been hurt by the church (though the church has thrown a lot of hurt at me [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agnosticism: If there is a God&#8230;. by quietpanther</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2012/09/agnosticism-if-there-is-a-god/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>quietpanther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In short: claiming faith in an arbitrarily chosen God of dubious existence is by no means &quot;safe&quot;, should some God end up existing.  (What if the Christians are wrong and Allah is the true God?  Or Zeus?  Or Quetzalcoatl?)  And regardless of what (if anything) awaits in the hereafter, I at least have the confidence of knowing that I lived THIS life as nobly as I knew how.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short: claiming faith in an arbitrarily chosen God of dubious existence is by no means &#8220;safe&#8221;, should some God end up existing.  (What if the Christians are wrong and Allah is the true God?  Or Zeus?  Or Quetzalcoatl?)  And regardless of what (if anything) awaits in the hereafter, I at least have the confidence of knowing that I lived THIS life as nobly as I knew how.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agnosticism: If there is a God&#8230;. by quietpanther</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2012/09/agnosticism-if-there-is-a-god/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>quietpanther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take it you either did not read or did not understand my post.

If there is a God, either he is good or he is evil.  If he is evil, I have no interest in pleasing him.  If he is good, he will prize honesty. I am committed to searching for truth; a just God who prizes truth will honor honest doubt above blind faith.  I refuse to pretend to believe in a God for which I see no evidence merely out of fear that he might exist and out of the infinite possible manifestations of deity might demand faith as a prerequisite for an afterlife of eternal good.

Furthermore, if God does exist, then through all religions in all of history one thing remains consistent: living a life in pursuit of justice and equity, championing the cause of the oppressed, and seeking truth and integrity in all things is the best road to divine reward.  This is taught by virtually every religion, and is incidentally the absolute centerpiece of Jesus&#039; teachings.

And if God does not exist, this is not a bad way to live one&#039;s life — far preferable to demanding blind faith in a mysterious deity and threatening every follower of every other religion/belief/ethos on earth with eternal torment merely because their understanding of God is different from my own.  It takes a special kind of arrogance to insist one can know an unknowable God better than every other person one meets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it you either did not read or did not understand my post.</p>
<p>If there is a God, either he is good or he is evil.  If he is evil, I have no interest in pleasing him.  If he is good, he will prize honesty. I am committed to searching for truth; a just God who prizes truth will honor honest doubt above blind faith.  I refuse to pretend to believe in a God for which I see no evidence merely out of fear that he might exist and out of the infinite possible manifestations of deity might demand faith as a prerequisite for an afterlife of eternal good.</p>
<p>Furthermore, if God does exist, then through all religions in all of history one thing remains consistent: living a life in pursuit of justice and equity, championing the cause of the oppressed, and seeking truth and integrity in all things is the best road to divine reward.  This is taught by virtually every religion, and is incidentally the absolute centerpiece of Jesus&#8217; teachings.</p>
<p>And if God does not exist, this is not a bad way to live one&#8217;s life — far preferable to demanding blind faith in a mysterious deity and threatening every follower of every other religion/belief/ethos on earth with eternal torment merely because their understanding of God is different from my own.  It takes a special kind of arrogance to insist one can know an unknowable God better than every other person one meets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agnosticism: If there is a God&#8230;. by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But what happens, if , after you die, you do find out there is a God? I&#039;d rather be safe than sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what happens, if , after you die, you do find out there is a God? I&#8217;d rather be safe than sorry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will never spank my child(ren) by Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2012/07/why-i-will-never-spank/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost brought tears to my eyes. I was spanked as a child, had a wonderful childhood. Wouldn&#039;t trade it for anything! I grew up to be just fine as well, but I will never ever spank  my own children. Ever. It goes against every fiber of my being to inflict pain in order to bring obedience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost brought tears to my eyes. I was spanked as a child, had a wonderful childhood. Wouldn&#8217;t trade it for anything! I grew up to be just fine as well, but I will never ever spank  my own children. Ever. It goes against every fiber of my being to inflict pain in order to bring obedience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mike&#8217;s Origins Resource: Carbon 14 Dating by The Walls Again Collapse, With A Deafening Roar.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Walls Again Collapse, With A Deafening Roar.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] dating is extremely unreliable, since 14C dating depends on the assumption that 14C has always been present in the atmosphere in the same amount; in reality, fluctuations in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on When all you&#8217;ve learned to love seems to change&#8230;. by Kayla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are the questions I grappled with in my early years of Christianity.  I became an atheist for a long time.  The only reason I believe again now is because I feel so different now... I feel God, which is still sometimes hard for me to say.

When there is such overpowering love from Christ and for Him, I look at these questions and feel distinctly uncomfortable.  Not in a bad way, at all.  It&#039;s a discomfort of someone who wishes she had the answers.  I hate that these questions hurt so badly, for people like us struggling, but I wonder sometimes if that is the refinement needed to grow.

I am one of those who is easily optimistic.  Grossly so, I&#039;m afraid.  It doesn&#039;t mean those questions don&#039;t arise, it just means that I&#039;m optimistic that something beautiful can come out of such ugly and horrible things.  I&#039;m optimistic that all those hurt, kidnapped, tortured, and abused people will be welcomed into Christ&#039;s comforting arms, no matter what.  I hope (and really, that&#039;s all it can be in Christianity... hope, rather than actual, direct knowledge of what&#039;s happening) that the damned get a second chance (and I&#039;ve read that they do, somewhere).   I know, in my heart, that people don&#039;t get damned for not yet knowing Christ.

I don&#039;t think any of what we &quot;know&quot; from the Bible is a certainty.  Sorry, I&#039;m rambling.  But those were some of the thoughts sparked by the questions and I&#039;ve not fully processed all the questions you&#039;ve written to really be relevant.

P.S. Thanks for your fearlessness in putting those questions out in the open for searching eyes to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the questions I grappled with in my early years of Christianity.  I became an atheist for a long time.  The only reason I believe again now is because I feel so different now&#8230; I feel God, which is still sometimes hard for me to say.</p>
<p>When there is such overpowering love from Christ and for Him, I look at these questions and feel distinctly uncomfortable.  Not in a bad way, at all.  It&#8217;s a discomfort of someone who wishes she had the answers.  I hate that these questions hurt so badly, for people like us struggling, but I wonder sometimes if that is the refinement needed to grow.</p>
<p>I am one of those who is easily optimistic.  Grossly so, I&#8217;m afraid.  It doesn&#8217;t mean those questions don&#8217;t arise, it just means that I&#8217;m optimistic that something beautiful can come out of such ugly and horrible things.  I&#8217;m optimistic that all those hurt, kidnapped, tortured, and abused people will be welcomed into Christ&#8217;s comforting arms, no matter what.  I hope (and really, that&#8217;s all it can be in Christianity&#8230; hope, rather than actual, direct knowledge of what&#8217;s happening) that the damned get a second chance (and I&#8217;ve read that they do, somewhere).   I know, in my heart, that people don&#8217;t get damned for not yet knowing Christ.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any of what we &#8220;know&#8221; from the Bible is a certainty.  Sorry, I&#8217;m rambling.  But those were some of the thoughts sparked by the questions and I&#8217;ve not fully processed all the questions you&#8217;ve written to really be relevant.</p>
<p>P.S. Thanks for your fearlessness in putting those questions out in the open for searching eyes to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Arks and Arks by quietpanther</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2007/07/of-arks-and-arks/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>quietpanther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the interest of intellectual honesty, I have made the grave decision to not delete this post.  It shall serve as a reminder of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2011/10/walls-again-collapse/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the lies I used to believe&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of intellectual honesty, I have made the grave decision to not delete this post.  It shall serve as a reminder of <a href="http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2011/10/walls-again-collapse/" rel="nofollow">the lies I used to believe</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Walls Again Collapse, With A Deafening Roar. by theophontes</title>
		<link>http://www.thedrantherlair.com/2011/10/walls-again-collapse/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>theophontes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 02:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ quietpanther 

You mention noah and his ark. It is a common fairytale, told in similar versions all over the world.  I commented on a Chinese version of the story a while back on Science blogs.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/04/ken_ham_put_to_shame.php#comment-3677686&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Linky&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
This Noah character reminds me of a story that is told by the Dai people of Xishuangbanna in South Western China. They also have a character called (Hen) Sang Mudi that saved all the animals from a giant flood. As an architect he built a giant raft and scooped the animals up to save them all from drowning. As the animals where so pleased at being saved, they helped him to restore the lands of the Dai. The tortoise became (inspired?) a stair, two female dragons became banisters, a monkey helped him put the beams in place... etc. He could thus design the Dais&#039; timber stilt houses that we know today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll keep you posted when I write a more extensive blog post about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ quietpanther </p>
<p>You mention noah and his ark. It is a common fairytale, told in similar versions all over the world.  I commented on a Chinese version of the story a while back on Science blogs.   <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/04/ken_ham_put_to_shame.php#comment-3677686" rel="nofollow">Linky</a>.</p>
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This Noah character reminds me of a story that is told by the Dai people of Xishuangbanna in South Western China. They also have a character called (Hen) Sang Mudi that saved all the animals from a giant flood. As an architect he built a giant raft and scooped the animals up to save them all from drowning. As the animals where so pleased at being saved, they helped him to restore the lands of the Dai. The tortoise became (inspired?) a stair, two female dragons became banisters, a monkey helped him put the beams in place&#8230; etc. He could thus design the Dais&#8217; timber stilt houses that we know today.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep you posted when I write a more extensive blog post about this.</p>
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